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Post by dace on Oct 28, 2005 1:05:24 GMT
Live bait, yes or no.
Lastest topic to be threatened with a ban. Angling Times have a coupon for use to vote on this subject.
I have never used live bait, But dont see a problem with it.
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Post by BUDGIE on Oct 28, 2005 2:53:50 GMT
This is a real big subject and one Ive often discussed on internet forums,pike shows,the tackle shop in fact any where that anglers gather.Far to late at night for me to write anything now but suffice to say I have voted in favour of it.Will try to post some thing soon.
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Post by fishingmaniac on Oct 28, 2005 19:07:22 GMT
Yes, this is a hot one.
But where do you draw the line on livebaitng?
Do we also stop using Maggots, Worms etc..............?
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Post by Stu on Oct 28, 2005 19:59:06 GMT
Even though I did fish for pike with live bait a couple of times when I was younger, it's not for me but then I don't fish for pike at all now.
However, that doesn't mean I think it is wrong and I certainly wouldn't support a ban.
The thing I love about fishing is the variety of sport within the sport. So each to their own.
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Post by anglerpaul on Oct 28, 2005 20:40:58 GMT
Your right BUDGIE this is a big topic. Again i have uses live bait, but have on problems on using this method.
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Post by Max on Oct 28, 2005 23:12:34 GMT
Again no problem with live bait. Looking forward to Budgie's reply.
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Post by BUDGIE on Oct 29, 2005 0:03:26 GMT
Considering the current attempt to push through a “No Live baiting” rule in Scotland this is a very topical poll!
For or against? Sadly this decision is made by a lot of people on purely emotive and sentimental reasons. It is therefore very hard to reason with anti live baiters as they refuse to see the facts. Many don’t actually fish for predators so in practical terms it doesn’t affect them. They use old clichéd pseudo scientific arguments to try and back up their emotional argument. As I said very hard to reason using hard facts against emotion.
A lot of people say that live baiting is cruel because you are sticking hooks into a live fish. I thought that was what we do every time we catch a fish? The whole business of whether fish feel pain or not is an often argued subject with many scientific studies having been carried out. Sadly none of these seem to be in agreement! The issue of is it cruel or not is one that each angler has to personally decide for them self, much as you have to make your decision in the early days of your angling career as to whether angling or not is cruel. This is a personal choice and one which I respect each individuals choice. If live baiting is not for you then fine but please also respect the choice of others who wish to do so. For me there is no difference in casting out and sticking a hook in a fish and sticking a hook in a fish then casting out.
Many say that they think it would be a good idea for angling to ban live baiting as it would appease the antis. I feel by doing this we would be simply falling into their hands and admitting that we accept sticking a hook into a fish is cruel. Make no mistake these people will never be on our side. It would pay to remember that they want angling banned in all its forms regardless of bait used. On the subject of bait what is live bait? After all maggots and worms are alive, should these be banned to?
At least to their credit the antis are consistent in there belief that angling in general is cruel. Sadly consistency is some what lacking in many anglers arguments! What sort of message does it send out when some anglers will happily use live bait but say they only lip hook them? Same as the angler who will quite happily use a roach for bait but not a carp! For the angler who thinks it is acceptable to lip hook a live but not hook it in the body (and for that matter all anglers who think it is ok to hook fish in the mouth when catching them but not to use them as bait) I will ask one question, where would be more sensitive the lip area or the back? I think we all know the answer! At this point let me point out that I made my decision a long time ago and I’m happy enough in the belief that fish don’t feel pain as we do regardless of where they are hooked. Once again if it is not for you then say so and I will respect your view. What I will not respect is some one making false statements to support their decision or trying to remove my right to choose.
Common examples of this are the often made remark that live baiting is unnecessary to catch pike. Yes I agree that on most waters pike can be caught on dead baits or lures but not on all! Some trout reservoirs I could take you to you could fish with deads all year and you wouldn’t get a take! Deads also catch on my local river but at a ratio of around 1 fish on a dead to every 30+ on lives! Nothing wrong with deads they are a valuable part of a pikers armoury but they aren’t the be all and end all. Catch at any cost? No certainly not but why should I have to restrict myself so much? Cheese catches roach but how would the average roach fisher feel if maggots and casters were banned and cheese was all he was allowed?
Some say it is unsporting. Well I can’t really comment on this one as I don’t understand the argument at all!
Live baiting spreads diseases. Well I won’t go in to the rights or wrongs of transporting fish as this is another personal choice as to whether you accept the rules on this issue. Let it be enough to say that the law says you must not do it and that it is quite legal to use fish you have caught as bait on the same water. Also it is a simple fact that no proven case of fish translocation or spread of disease has ever been put down to anglers live baiting. That said it pays to be sensible and only use healthy fish, after all no pike angler I know would want to be responsible for the spread of disease or translocation of a species.
Taking fish for live bait spoils other anglers sport. A bit of common sense and consideration does need to be shown here. A group of regular pike anglers taking 20 baits or so each every week over the winter season could have an effect on a small water with low stocking densities, but then it’s a lot easier to get baits from a large water with loads in so it is in effect a drop in the ocean! Worth bearing in mind though. Rainbow trout from your local hatchery won’t affect your local ponds stocks! They are cheap enough and make strong baits you can even get all the correct paper work in theory but in practice most local EA offices will say not to bother!
Using 1lb roach as baits. No way is this acceptable it would get up my nose let alone a dedicated roach anglers! Totally unnecessary as well. Over large baits are merely a waste of quality fish. Big baits are harder to use and harder to set the hooks with. They certainly don’t necessarily attract bigger fish but if you feel you need a large visual bait then why not use a skimmer? Maybe not as strong but plenty of them and wont be missed in the ecosystem as much as a 1lb roach. Anyway I wish I knew a water where I could go and catch a tub of 1lb roach that easily! In reality I don’t think it happens as much (if at all) as some anti live baiters would have us believe.
To sum up I made my choice a long time ago and I’m quite happy that live baiting is a perfectly acceptable tactic and no crueller (if cruel at all) than any other angling. For people who aren’t happy to do it then fine that is your choice and I would never pressure you to do so. In these days of the antis growing campaign to get angling banned full stop I feel that all anglers regardless of their personal views on live baiting should stick together and make no concessions to them at all. Like I said what is the difference between casting out and hooking a fish and hooking a fish and casting it out? I’m sure the antis won’t see any.
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Post by markyg on Oct 29, 2005 0:37:55 GMT
I voted no to live baiting, and after reading Budgie's post, I change my minded. What a great post  mate. |
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Post by Carpy on Oct 29, 2005 21:49:37 GMT
A tough one for me, Never used live bait myself.
But it is a hot topic for sure.
Will say i dont have any problems using this method.
As Budgie said we would only be using small fish, i would never use a 1lb roach
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Post by Andrew Burgess on Oct 29, 2005 22:40:14 GMT
I got no problems with livebait, in fact if I am piking on any water then my 1st option is to livebait from using the fish from the water you are fishing from.
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Post by longshank on Jan 2, 2007 0:32:49 GMT
I got no problems with livebait, in fact if I am piking on any water then my 1st option is to livebait from using the fish from the water you are fishing from. Me nither mate just as long as the venue offers the sport! Keep Fishin Andy |
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Post by hayden on Oct 16, 2007 17:51:23 GMT
i want to go pikeing for pike with live bait wat methods could i use
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